Message-ID: <58166asstr$1223208601@assm.asstr-mirror.org> X-Original-To: ckought69@hotmail.com Delivered-To: ckought69@hotmail.com X-Original-Path: l42g2000hsc.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: Paul Robinson <paul@paul-robinson.us> X-Original-Message-ID: <928de9ee-bbf1-4777-b676-4a03df0f2aa1@l42g2000hsc.googlegroups.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 00:31:17 +0000 (UTC) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: l42g2000hsc.googlegroups.com; posting-host=68.33.73.185; posting-account=erySCAoAAACSC7jPdj99UIT3E-wpYByn User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.8.1.17) Gecko/20080829 SeaMonkey/1.1.12,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) X-ASSTR-Original-Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 17:31:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: {ASSM} (6th Revision, Chapter 102) "In the Matter of: Instrument of God" (pedo, rape, abortion, religion) Lines: 775 Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2008 08:10:01 -0400 Path: assm.asstr-mirror.org!not-for-mail Approved: <assm@asstr-mirror.org> Newsgroups: alt.sex.stories.moderated,alt.sex.stories Followup-To: alt.sex.stories.d X-Archived-At: <URL:http://assm.asstr-mirror.org/Year2008/58166> X-Moderator-Contact: ASSTR ASSM moderation <story-ckought69@hotmail.com> X-Story-Submission: <ckought69@hotmail.com> X-Moderator-ID: newsman, RuiJorge This is the 5th revised release of this excerpt from the book to alt.sex.stories.moderated. As of the last two releases it has more-or- less stabilized as chapter 102. This previously was Chapter 80, and before that it was Chapter 72, 68, 46, 30, and at one time it was Chapter 1. It may move forward again if more chapters get added to the book, but I'm almost at the point where it is - as they say in the software business - "Code Complete" and about ready to ship.. The previous title of this story was "I'm ...working on a use for child molesters ... I expect to have a lot of fun with ...them." Note that the other chapters of this book were not posted here, in case you're wondering where the rest was. This is an excerpt from the book, "In the Matter of: Instrument of God" and this is the sixth published revision of that excerpt. Comments to the author are welcome. Especially if you disagree with any of my points or don't like the story and have specific constructive criticism, but I will read all comments that aren't simply attacks. To separate comments from the tons of spam I get every day, you might try putting "[IOG]" in the subject, so I'll know about this article. I try to check all mail but some may get missed, if you don't hear from me within a day or two, send your message again. - - Background to this story: The two people talking are in the Afterlife,which some consider to be Heaven. They both are aware that they have died and are no longer alive, but as Akers points out, the place resembles a "weak clone" of earth. Chapter 102 "Human beings know how to ... cure ... people... and yet God can't..." He stood up and shook hands. "Hi, I'm Supervisor 246, Administrator of the Welcoming Department. Literally everyone in this world calls me 246 so you can if you'd like. I think they said you're new here, uh," he looked down at the code - 13047 NV Akers 780126 - and decided to go on a first name basis. "Akers, and you wanted to talk on a complicated subject. Have a seat if you'd like." He sat down. Unnecessary, but a long force of habit. "I've had some questions about religion and I can't find anyone else who can seriously answer them. They said you could." "They've probably been trying for several thousand years, but I'd like to try Well, first, what brand of religion do you use?" "Brand of religion?" "All religions are pretty much the same: they don't tolerate other brands of religion and they claim to be the only right one. Basically there are seven brands: Agnostic, Atheist, Christian, Muslim, Jewish, Asian and Other. Other represents the minor religions, like the Norse gods, or cargo cult religions and so on, the ones that aren't very popular. I figure you're not a member of one of the Asian religions, and I don't think you're a Muslim because you're willing to ask questions, so my guess is you're in one of the top four for what goes for Western Civilization. I'm guessing you're not Jewish, and since you're asking me about religion you're probably not Agnostic or Atheist, so that basically leaves one of the various Christian religions, how does that sound?" "Yeah, that's right. Well, the first thing is, if this place is here, doesn't that mean that everything the Bible tells us about God is wrong, otherwise, shouldn't we be going to some place like that instead of a weak clone version of Earth?" "'Weak clone,' I like that term. But what do you mean 'some place like that?' You mean something like a kind of heaven with pearly gates, people having halos and wings, and so on?" "Uh yeah, I guess so." "Well, let me tell you something, most people don't realize it, but all of the images people have of what they think Heaven or Hell is, are simply visual images from various propaganda that someone made up. The Bible never says anything one way or another about what either looks like. Actually you could give the Bible the same claim as 'propaganda that someone made up', but I'm going to ignore it for the moment. So there's no reason Heaven - or Hell - couldn't look like this. Whichever one it was would depend on your point of view as to which you thought it was. Don't you like it here?" "Actually I don't like to admit it but I love it here, but I think a lot of my friends would believe I'm crazy to say that since we didn't make it to Heaven. The real one, that is, if there is one." "Yeah, I know what you mean. Well, let me tell you something, I would say basically, whether they want to admit it almost everyone loves it here. How long have you been here?" "Three standard years." "Then you must love the place or you're deathly afraid to go back." "I'm never going back, there's too many things to do here and lots of things you can't do on earth. But there's another issue, when I was alive, it kind of worried me, because I couldn't answer it at the time." "Go ahead." "There's this really good atheist back on earth, his name is Christopher Hitchens, and he pointed out that he didn't like the idea of what Heaven, at least as I think the Bible claims it would be, because it would be a horrible place. First he points out how we're supposed to both love God with all our heart and at the same time we're supposed to fear him. I got that point; the two are contradictory. If you love your mom and dad, you're not afraid of them, or at least, only when you're a little kid and you did something wrong. But you're not thinking that you love them when you're scared of what they could do to you." "Uh huh. Go on." "Same thing for, say, someone you're emotionally involved with. If you're in love with a boyfriend, a girlfriend or a husband or wife, when you fight with them or if you're afraid they're going to leave you, or if you're afraid because they're abusive, you're not thinking about how much you love them. Or when someone says it, the statement is so obviously ridiculous as to be laughable, you know, like the scenes in a movie of some guy who just whipped his wife with his belt, telling her how mad he is at her, because of what she did to him to make him mad, and then the line that is both horribly ironic and almost gut busting funny, where he says that he had to hurt her because he loves her so much!" "Yeah, it is kind of obviously ridiculous, come to think of it." "So now, anyway, you're placed in a constant state of being expected to have two contradictory emotions for someone, or some thing, whatever you think God is, at the same time. Then there's the point of what Heaven would be like, in which our whole existence is devoted to praying to God for thanks for what we've been given. Hitchens says that basically it would be like an eternal version of North Korea - and he's actually been there, so he knows what it's like - where your entire existence is supposed to be to offer prayer and thanks to the current leader for all that he has so graciously granted to you. And a Heaven like that would be worse than North Korea, at least you can die or maybe try to escape if you're lucky, you can't ever get out of Heaven. You're stuck there forever; you can't even die to escape. And the worst thing would be supposedly it would be for your own good. At least if you're in Hell you can curse your tormentors, how do you curse those who are supposedly doing what is best for you?" "Yeah, it does sound kind of weird." "I used to have a problem with the way things are here, that sometimes people do bad things to other people, and I'd wonder why they didn't monitor people to keep them from doing that. But then, I thought, if you monitored people's thoughts to see who was about to do something to someone else, then you'd have to stop them from doing something wrong. So either you would catch them as soon as they thought about something bad, and then it's that 'Eternal North Korea thing' all over again; your very thoughts would be used against you. Or you have to wait until they are about to commit the crime. Either you catch them just before they do it, in which case you have the sort of thing like they did in the movie 'Minority Report' where they arrested and imprisoned people, not for what they did, but for what they were going to do. Or if you wait until they actually do commit the crime, then arrest them on the spot, it's eventually going to get out that you knew that they were going to hurt someone but you let them, how can you allow such a thing? You know what I mean?" "Yeah, a Catch 22. Stop people before they actually commit a crime and you're basically punishing them for something they haven't done yet, stop them the instant it happened and you've got to answer for the fact that you knew they were going to do it and you allowed it to happen. In either case, it's a no-win scenario and a big mess." "Exactly. So when I called this place a weak clone of earth, I wasn't being, uh, what's the word when you call something a name as a way of criticizing it?" "Pejorative?" "Thank you. I wasn't being pejorative when I called this place a 'weak clone' of earth, I meant that it reminded me so much of earth it was strange, while at the same time a lot of the petty little crap that is so irritating on earth isn't here. Not just the stuff that is available with magic, like being able to immediately transport, but the fact that where you think of places on earth where supposedly the government is very light handed or nice, this place makes them look like, well, North Korea, or, oh yeah, the Mexican Federales here by comparison. And of course, well, ah, you know how the women are here." "Yeah. They are wonderful, the most magic things on the face of the Afterlife and I love every one of them. And as often as I can. About how many women have you had sex with since you've been here?" He looks down at his shoes. "Well, ah, I'm kind of embarrassed about it..." "Well, let's see. You're a fairly cute looking young man if I have an idea of what women like, you've been here three standard years, based on the kid-in-a-candy-store theory of lots at first then settling down, plus the usual number of accepted propositions from women, I'd guess you've had sex with something in the neighborhood of a couple thousand women, possibly more than that, would that be about right?" Akers looked at him. "A couple thousand? I was thinking more like two or three hundred." "You've been here three standard years and you've only seen a couple hundred women? Oh that's not much, I had more than that many in the first six standard months I was here. A fairly nice looking guy like you has had sex with only a couple hundred women over three standard years, in a city with over a billion women, most of whom are totally uninhibited, horny all the time and realize there's no shame to having sex with lots of men, my, my. Either you've got a lot more willpower to resist when they proposition you or you don't get out very often. But we can discuss sex some other time, I love to talk about sex, but I'll try and work on your religious questions right now, since that's what you're here for, okay?" "Yeah, that's what I really came here to talk about." "Okay, then, now, this is one possible answer to your question. Let's say that those who are really, really good and really, really special, got to go to Heaven and be with God as they say. And they have no problem living in the so-called 'Eternal North Korea' as you referred to it. Now, maybe what happened is that the rest of us would have been destroyed automatically but the people who set this system up captured us and as a result, we're here instead of going out of existence. And since God thinks we no longer exist, He's not looking for us and so we've slipped under His radar screen. Let's say He set the system up automatically, checked that it worked then forgot about it and doesn't know we're being intercepted. Or let's say He's decided to allow this place to operate for a while and is just allowing it to continue for the time being while He's busy with something else. Or perhaps this is the Hell people go to when they die, and what they would have gotten in Heaven is so much better than what we can imagine here that this place is a world of torture by comparison. Or maybe this is the Purgatory you go to after you die before you go either to Heaven or Hell and we're being judged first. How do you like those answers?" "Huh. Okay, at least I feel better about it now that you've given me some answers." "Okay, here's another possibility. Have you ever played the game of 'Telephone'?" "No. What is it?" "I've seen it done and it's hilarious. You write down a phrase, a message like you want to give someone. Now, you whisper it, exactly as you wrote it, to someone, and have them whisper what you told them to a friend, and have them whisper it to a friend, and so on, then the last person says out loud what they heard, and you then show everyone the original message. So you do this with eight or ten people and you discover the result. Usually the final message has absolutely no relationship to the original message. What's more interesting if you can get to hear each person as they relay it and see how it changes, sometimes the errors and omissions in the process can be absolutely stunning. "So, anyway, perhaps this is what Heaven is supposed to be, and God told those on earth exactly what it was. Well, remember that the Bible is a written collection of stories that were told for thousands of years before people developed writing, stories passed down from the memories of those who heard them before. So you have an oral history repeated umpteen thousand times over hundreds, or more likely thousands of years, by illiterate shepherds and farmers, and by the time it was written down, it had been embellished and changed so much that you couldn't recognize it from the original. Maybe when someone told some of the important stories God corrected them if necessary, but allowed the stories of Heaven to change because first, it wouldn't matter what they said, they'll never find out until they died, and second, while He wanted people to know it was a pleasant place, He didn't necessarily want them to think it was so pleasant that it would encourage them to commit suicide en masse to get here. Or maybe He just told the truth and left it as is, and everything else was some embellishment by people of what they were told because they felt their version of what they had heard was better than the one that they got second-hand and thought God probably told the person who told them something different and decided to correct it. " "Well, since apparently everyone who dies gets in here, okay, then, if that's the case, have you ever wondered where some of these myths come from?" "Like which ones?" "Well, I'm thinking of the concept of Hell, and damnation and so on. This place, for example. Or what this place would have been if God was running it. Well they say He is but you know what I mean." 246 Smiled. "Yeah, I happen to know God personally - here they call him The Chairman - so I know what you mean. Probably some minister needed some way to keep the money rolling in, so he sold his services as 'fire insurance.' Same reason a lot of people become Christians. Probably all of them. At least it was in my case. Fat lot of good it did me." "'Fire insurance'?" "Yeah, according to the Bible, you learn you're a sinner and will die, ending up in Hell and burning forever, or at least that's what a lot of people believe the Bible says, anyway. About like getting violated six-ways-from-Sunday. But you find out there's a way to avoid that. If you believe that Christ died for your sins, and will save you from that horrible fate, if you confess your belief in him, you become a Christian - or Born-Again Christian if you like - and thus you don't end up in the fires of Hell." "Oh, I see. But, anyway, I mean, I've never really understood the idea that if there was a God, that if someone was bad, He would make that person suffer forever, torture them for eternity, give them no chance to repair what had been done wrong if it was at all possible, and to top it off, punish them in such a way that it doesn't give anyone else a chance to learn from the poor bastard's misery. It just seemed so... so... well if not cruel and heartless, at least terribly bad, some how. Maybe as bad as whatever the person did; it would seem so... pointless, ahh, that's the word I'm thinking of, it seems like such a pointless exercise in futility." "Not bad. Most people can't see the whole logic of the entire argument. Especially when it's a religious argument. Most of those are 'hands off'." "I think you're right." "I'll tell you something, Akers. With most men who have a religious system of beliefs, and a woman that they loved very deeply, would do what Lot did and sacrifice her, first before his religion." "What do you mean?" "Lot was in the twin cities of Sodom and Gomorrah looking for a few honest men, and he has a couple of VIPs from Heaven with him, when the local no-longer-boys choir come by looking for some backdoor action, and want to try the VIPs out for size. So Lot brings out his two beautiful, frightened virgin daughters, and offers them to the crowd, telling them to do anything they want to them, violate them six-ways- from-Sunday, if they'll take the girls, go away and stop bothering him and his two VIPs. You can find it in Genesis 19:8." "Uh, I've heard that before, I think you're borrowing that from a book somewhere." "I'll admit I didn't think of the reference. The idea for it is from Stranger in a Strange Land by Robert A. Heinlein." "Oh. The reason I noticed it was that I happened to read up on it later and discovered they're not really virgins." "Really, really?" "Yeah. I remember that later on it says that Lot, his daughters and his sons in law husbands of theirs left." "Hey, you're not too bad at this! Well anyway, if you found a contradiction in most men's religious beliefs, and gave the man the choice to accept that those beliefs were wrong, or let you use his beautiful wife as the vessel of your desires, for acting out your choice of scenes from any ten porno flicks, he'd say, 'here, take her and do with her as you will, just go away and leave my religion alone.' Most people won't look too closely at their religion for fear they will find out what's wrong with it." "Man, you're pretty good with this. Let's say you're a minister..." "Actually, I once owned a religion when I was back on earth. Incorporated it and everything. I appointed myself Demigod. I think that's three steps above Pope. But go on." "Well anyway, you're a minister, and you tell people that if they do wrong there is a Hell in which they suffer forever, and I mean, forever, a billion, trillion years of suffering and torment for something they might do here and now during the measly 70 or 80 years that they are on earth. Now, there might be justification for some people to be tortured like that, provided it was to teach someone else a lesson, you know, how Jacob Marley in A Christmas Carol comes back to tell Ebenezer Scrooge that he's got the same fate coming to him if he doesn't get his shit together?" "Gotcha." "In that sort of case, I can see where it makes sense. He comes back to tell people what they're doing wrong. But you can see where, ah, who wrote that book?" "Charles Dickens." "You can see where Dickens is subscribing to the same theory as Christianity is doing, if you make a mistake you suffer for it forever, and you can't ever do anything to fix it. All Marley's Ghost can do is warn of the consequences but he can't ever get himself out of the pickle he's in. And why is it that if he's able to warn Scrooge, wasn't he ever given any warning?" "Dramatic license. The story really works quire well the way it's written. Or maybe he was and the story doesn't tell it. Or maybe he got a warning but ignored it." "Well, anyway, when you think about punishing people for enormous, unimaginably long periods of time, it seems ridiculous when you talk about some ordinary guy who does a few bad things in his life. Maybe Chairman Mao, or what's-his-name, I think it was Pol Pot, who ran the Khmer Rouge in Cambodia, or Stalin, or Hitler, or some of those guys in Africa who got together and murdered or ordered the murder of millions of people..." "The Hutus in Rwanda killed 800,000 Tutsis in only 100 days, they probably paid overtime bonuses to get the job done faster, like that contractor in Los Angeles, who got the earthquake damaged freeway rebuilt 60 days early by running three shifts and all the overtime anyone wanted, and made 16 million dollars in extra profit. Indonesia's President Suharto - with the tacit approval of U.S. President Ford and Secretary of State Henry Kissinger - ordered the invasion of East Timor where over 200,000 died; at least 100,000 of them were murdered in the first year alone. As I understand it, the incident was so bad that Kissinger can't even visit Europe any more because he'd be arrested for War Crimes and almost certainly convicted. Ismail Enver, Ahmed Jemal and Mehmet Talaat ran Turkey over Armenia to the tune of 1.5 million Armenians back in 1916, they probably gave the Nazis ideas." "Uh, no 'probably' about it." "What do you mean?" "I once did a report on it for a class, and I remember reading somewhere how those who questioned if the world would let Hitler get away with murdering the Jews were met with his response: 'No one remembers the Armenians.'" "Looks like you're pretty good too, Akers. Sometimes I think Genocide must be like one of those really great TV shows because it constantly keeps coming back in reruns." "Well, anyway, I can see where scumbags like them deserve to burn in Hell forever. And some of these really bad people, ones who hurt others, I can see where maybe that might be appropriate, but still, if all they do is rot in torture, and nobody knows about it, what is the point?" "Maybe there isn't any point." "But some minister is going to tell me that a guy who cheats on his wife, or embezzles a few thousand Euros, and doesn't get to God, or Jesus, or whatever it is, deserves as much endless torture and suffering, as some unforgivable bastards like them?" "On earth we - as in humans - put people in jail for life, without possibility of parole." "That's just to keep them away from everyone else, mostly because either they did something really bad that they can't come back to society and continue to practice their trade, and also because we don't know how to fix them so they don't come back and continue to practice their trade. Or because they don't qualify for the death penalty. Or they don't have a death penalty where they did it. I don't see the point of sentencing someone to 'eternity in torture, without possibility of parole'." "Maybe that's because they have to be kept out of the general population of souls in Heaven and the people running the place don't know how to cure them." "That doesn't make much sense either. Human beings know how to use certain drugs to treat the symptoms of, or even cure many mental problems and fix people who would otherwise be a threat, and yet God can't fix bad people, other than treating them like used tires in a tire fire or tossing them from a landfill into an endless incinerator and washing his hands of them? He doesn't have as much smarts as we do?" "Again, maybe it's because they need to keep really bad people, like those who kill, murderers, for example, out of Heaven. Well, the Heaven as depicted by the Bible, anyway." "Keep murderers out of Heaven? If there's any place that has lots of those, it's Heaven! Not counting those people who became born-again Christians on death row and then got, uh, what was that term you used on TV for an execution?" "A seat on ol' sparky and a 10,000 volt suppository." "Yeah that. Then there are those who turned over in prison and eventually got out. They are apparently changed people but they killed others and when they die they get to go to Heaven." "Uh huh." "So saying that mere murderers need to be kept out of Heaven is ridiculous. Or something that might be worse can still get into Heaven. Look, I can run an abortion mill, stick a drill into a fetus then insert a vacuum and suck the brains out of babies that hadn't had the luck to be born..." "And maybe even a few that were born, but the parents don't want it, so you don't say anything, Dr. Akers, M.D., you just insert the needle full of formaldehyde into the skull, squeeze the trigger, pumping the poison through the spinal cord, where it reaches the cortex and dissolves the brain into jelly. The parallel to sex gets me excited just thinking about it. So after you've raped the brain to death, you put the head in a vice and crush the skull, then dump the garbage in a trash bag. Neat, clean, send the ex-parents a bill, and send in the next soon to be no longer a woman in trouble in, so you can scrape and rip out her problem. Regular assembly line of death, and a nice profit. I've heard even the Nazis at the death camps were slackers compared to a good abortuary running at full tilt." "You are sick, Supervisor 246, sick." "So as half of our world tells me. Hey, babe, I'm just admitting what's going on." "Well, anyway, I do that, day in, day out, at a couple hundred bucks a pop, butcher 50,000 or 200,000 fetuses for profit until I've made a few million, then decide I shouldn't do that, because I've become a Christian, so I'm forgiven, and one day when I'm 86 I drop dead on a golf course, go to Heaven and get to stay there in paradise forever." 246 Smiles, sardonically. "You really think Heaven would be paradise? I hope I get the chance to see it." "You know what I mean. But a guy who steals a TV set to feed his heroin addiction and is shot by the cops, but dies before he gets the chance to discover, ah, Christ is it?" "'For God so loved the world that He sent His only begotten son, that whosoever should believe in Him should not perish, but have eternal life.' John 3:16, the world's most translated phrase in all literature." "Okay, so anyway, the guy stealing a TV dies before he gets that, and as a result, he gets eternal torture, uh, what did you call it?" "Being violated six-ways-to-Sunday." "He gets that. Going back to me being a doctor who decided to stop doing abortions and become a born-again Christian, I'm a baby- slaughterer par excellence, but still a welcome member of Heaven, he's a minor thief and an everlasting member of the damned." 246 smiles. "Yeah. Ain't that wonderful?" "Wonderful?" "Yeah. It's a really great way to run a universe. The confessed, no matter how bad their crimes, never get any punishment and get to go free forever, while those who didn't confess, no matter how tiny theirs, are punished forever and can't ever get free. Exact inverse. Or, let's put it in our terms: Those who confess, we 'love 'em back into the world', those who didn't confess we 'violate 'em six-ways-to- Sunday'. Some people say it's how I think, backward. Maybe they're right, at least about me, anyway." "I think it's a fucking stupid way to run things. And what do you mean, you think backward? You dyslexic or something?" "No, not exactly. Did you hear about that incident a few months ago at the Picketing Zone near the Main Entrance?" "Yeah, the riot, I saw it on ANN, the Afterlife News Network. That was sort of strange. But I still don't understand what you mean by backward." "If you remember the TV show, I came out in public saying that it was correct, for the police to leave the guy holding the anti-Semitic poster to be able to continue to show it, while the cops violated all the other people who were fighting, many of whom were victims of German Concentration camps, hauled them off to jail in handcuffs, for breaking Rule #1 by hitting people. They had suffered horrible things, some we wouldn't want to imagine; he had cruelly and viciously insulted their suffering. I said that he's a law abiding citizen, they're criminals. Backward. "But you forgot what happens to the aborted fetuses and murdered babies. If you take theology literally, the doctor who becomes a Christian, and any of the women who had their fetuses destroyed who also do, get into Heaven but because the fetuses were unable to confess their sins to Christ, they can't make it and they too, get to ride that highway to Hell." "I would have thought that babies and children who don't know any better would go to Heaven automatically." 246 shook his head. "A nice idea not supported by scripture. I think the line which Jesus uses, is something like, 'There is no way to the Father, none, not any, except through Me.'" Akers frowns, "Oh yeah, John 14:6, you're right." "Jesus is the gatekeeper to salvation, either you get it from him or you don't get it at all. The concept of babies and children automatically going to Heaven is from the 'kinder, gentler' school of Christianity that also believe in what you feel about the unfairness of eternal torture, so they solved the problem by saying that when people are really bad, they are destroyed. But that's not a good solution, either." "Why not? It sounds a whole lot more reasonable and kind than endless torture." "Yeah, but then it loses the hold on people through future punishment." "You've lost me somewhere." "Religion uses the idea of damnation - eternal burning in Hell - as a punishment to keep people from going nihilistic and doing anything they damn well please to anyone. Okay for this example, we've decided that there is no Hell when you die, if you're bad you just cease to exist. So, let's go under the knife and go back to life on earth." "Nice place, interesting to visit, wouldn't want to stay there, though." "I like that! You're catching on! Well, anyway, you're this really bad guy, oh something really, really, bad, let's say, hmm, tax collector." "Get serious." "You want it serious? I'll give you serious. Okay, you're a professional baby raper. A child molester specializing in really young girls. The really precious ones that break your heart, you know, the adorable ones that are so cute." "Uh huh. I don't like where you're going here." "Bear with me. So you see this nice, juicy looking little girl, turns out she's a beautiful little 7-year old, pixie face, blond hair, she's so cute, so sweet and innocent. So you get the mother out of the store on a pretext, say her car's been damaged by an accident, or maybe you wait until she comes out, then knock her out and take her keys. Grab the 7-year old, whose name is Margaret, by the way, who would some day grow up to be a lovely young lady and break a bunch of men's hearts, and drive off in her mother's car to yours, which is two blocks away so nobody gets your license plate. By now you've given Maggie something to knock her out. Dump the car there, wipe the steering wheel, get in yours and drive off. So the police have no leads, you get away clean and they'll never find you. You take our little girl home and tie her to the bed, spread eagled and naked. Once Maggie wakes up, you get into bed..." "I really don't think I want to hear this." "Oh come on, you'll like the results." "I doubt it strongly." "So, anyway, beautiful little Margaret, blue eyes, 7 years old, is lying naked and spread eagled on the bed, scared to death, and rightfully so. You tell her that in a moment she's going to feel something slide between her legs and inside of her and it's going to hurt, a lot. This will make her tense up, which is exactly what you want as it will make her vagina even tighter. You've got this really stiff hard on, so you get on top of her, aim yourself, then arch your back as high as you can, and give a mighty plunge, aiming straight for her twat. In one second, BOOM! Your dick hits the opening, slides into her, as you hear her scream in agonizing pain and perhaps arch her back as a result. But unfortunately for her, she does it the wrong way which makes it even better for you, as your dick continues scraping against her extremely tight vagina, hits the hymen, shatters it as she screams again, then your cock plunges into her tightness until you bottom out, giving her an agonizing bang on the cervix. "Then you back up and start pounding on her like you're trying to match the cadence of the 78 rpm phonorecord of the Anvil Chorus for maybe a couple minutes, in her tight pussy which is now well lubricated. With blood. Hers. Then you come, a really, really good satisfying orgasm to reward you for all the work you've done, and you pour the pork into her. You've just had a whale of a good time while this kid is in really horrible pain and if Maggie will ever be normal again it's sweepstakes odds she can never have children. That doesn't matter much as you wait until your dick is hungry again, but her twat is pretty much wasted now. But she's got another opening." "Oh please." "All right, I'll skip the details. Suffice to say you rip her a new one - literally - and you've finished with her down there. So you put her on her knees facing you, a block in her mouth so she can't bite down, stand in front of her, grab her by the back of the head, then run your dick in until it hits the back of the throat and the gag reflex hits, and you ride that dick milker until you come again and spurt it in her." "This is even worse." "Oh I haven't even come - no pun intended - close to worse. You've only had her for the better part of a couple of hours. You haven't ruined her mouth as you have down below, you could probably sell her to some other pervert for the same thing. But it's too risky, so you decide you want to feed your need one more time. This time you look at lovely Maggie with those beautiful blue eyes, now clouded in a miasma of pain and betrayal, and decide to really have some fun with her! This time you step over her shoulders so you're riding her face like a bicycle, ram your dick into her again, to get her throat to milk you again, but this time you start pumping it in and out so you can get even more pleasure! Then finally you hold her head tightly against you so that her nose is blocked by the pudendum at the base of your penis, so she can't breathe. You leave it in her throat as she chokes and gags until she passes out, struggling, which also feels good, and finally dies, so the last thing she ever feels in that world is your dick cutting off her airway. You then dump the body in a lime pit and sell the pictures of her and maybe of what you've been doing to her." "I think I'm going to be sick. You scare me. You sound like you've had considerable experience in this line of work." "Never. The closest I ever did was sentence a woman to be raped, or rather, almost raped, as punishment of a conviction for the equivalent of a rape that she did, of someone else. And it wasn't that bad for her You can read about it in the case reports if you're interested." "So, anyway, there's a point to the story about the child molester?" "Yeah. You do this maybe 40, 50 times and you finally get caught. You go to prison and you get the Jeffrey Dahmer treatment, and you're lying crumpled up on the floor of a prison shower with a shiv up your ass and your own blood coagulating on the floor. I told you that you'd like the ending. The guy, you, gets what he deserves, a nice messy death." "I don't think I like it much. And wasn't Dahmer beaten to death?" "Doesn't matter. Dahmer was murdered in prison by another inmate, the method is irrelevant. That's what I mean when I say 'the Jeffrey Dahmer treatment:' to be violently murdered in prison by some other inmate who didn't like your crime. Actually, I met Jeffrey Dahmer shortly after he died. Was such a mild mannered guy, you wouldn't think he had it in him to do what he did. In view of how many people didn't like him, he decided to do a u-turn, to immediately go under the knife and go back to earth to try again as a baby, but to prevent the same thing from happening again he chose to get a Real Sex Change and start over as a woman this time. "But anyway, while you don't like my story, you'll like this even less. If, before you, the multiple child molester, died, you learned about Christ and confessed your sins to him, and accept him as your savior, then you go to Heaven anyway despite all that you did to those lovely little girls - like poor little Margaret - that you brutalized to death. If you didn't accept Christ, then ..." "Well deserved eternal damnation?" Supervisor 246 smiled. "No. Nothing!" "Huh?" "Remember, in this example we're saying there is no Hell to be eternally damned to, so if you don't make it to Heaven you are destroyed. Or as they say in the computer business, expunged. Since you didn't get saved, you die, dead, your soul disintegrates and you never know anything. You don't get punished at all. And the 50 little girls you raped, sodomized and horribly murdered, like poor little Margaret, don't get into Heaven either - they just cease to exist too - because they didn't know Christ. "Now let's put Hell and eternal damnation back on the table for a moment. "I'll even grant you the premise that little kids get into Heaven if they're below the age to understand right from wrong, which is probably 6 or so. Whoops! Sorry, Maggie, you knew when you stole those pieces of candy at the store the week before this incident happened that it was wrong and you did it anyway. When the kiddie raper got you, that was just too bad. You died, you were old enough to know what you were doing, you failed to accept Christ as your savior, you're going to Hell for eternity babe! Watch our friend the child molester and wave as he goes by as you pass him on his way to Heaven. "It doesn't matter what age you assign that we let people in because of innocence, sooner or later I'm going to get you with some sick story about some poor unfortunate who is above the age limit, didn't do much of anything wrong, got brutalized to death, did not know Christ, and went to Hell forever and the guy - or girl, but it's usually a guy - who brutalized her, did know Christ, and went to Heaven forever." "So the idea of no Hell if you die and mere destruction is an unsatisfactory solution too, while it gets rid of the problem of the concept of unlimited pointless torture of burning in eternal damnation, but now you don't have anything after people die to threaten them with if they don't do right and act nice while on earth. If you are saved you get Heaven, you're bad you get nonexistence. "Actually, if Existence was a game it wouldn't be too bad. If you win, you win big, if you lose, you'll never know. Someone once said that you had to have immortality in order to be able to have a reason for morality. If this Afterlife that people talk about so much wasn't around, what reason is there to do anything nice and decent? In that case..." "Well, wait a minute, so you're saying that basically if you don't have God then you can just choose to do anything you want?" "Yeah. If you have no innate controls on your behavior, and no punishment for doing wrong, then anything is permitted. It's not an old idea, I think it first came out with Dostoyevski, if not earlier." "But, uh, well, you could have the same thing if one did believe in God." "What do you mean?" "Think about it for a moment. Convince someone that some course of action is specifically... What would be a word for being seriously approved by an authority figure?" "Sanctioned?" "Thank you. So let's say you convince someone that something you want to do is approved and sanctioned by God. If they believe that, they can get away with anything because if God approves it, it is okay. If I want to use your nasty sex examples, it's like a guy who knows he has a sexually transmitted disease, and he gets some woman to let him have unprotected sex, he gets twice the fun, he not only gets to infect her, but the reason she gets infected is because he came inside her. "If someone believes what they're doing is part of God's plan, anything is permitted too. Some of the stories in the Bible make that utterly clear, with the things God's chosen got to do to the losers in some of those wars they had. So I don't think you can say that if someone doesn't have religion that they would go that way. They can still go that way even if they are a devoutly religious person. All those guys - and even some women - who commit suicide bombings provide lots of proof of that. I remember when I was alive once hearing a news story on BBC World Service where they interviewed a guy they caught before he could blow himself up, and he said he did it for his God." "And the ones who do succeed usually get pissed off when they get here and discover, because of the Language Section they wind up in, that they don't get 72 virgins, they don't get any nookie at all. You know, Akers, I think I misjudged you a little. You have done a lot of thinking about it. And I agree, if you convince people what they're doing is sanctioned by God, they can get away with anything. But first, they've got to believe in God, which if they have any intelligence they might realize there's no good reason to believe other than it's because someone told them there is some sort of God. I seem to think that religious faith tends to be inversely proportional to intelligence levels; stupid people tend to be more likely to believe and intelligent people are less likely. As much as I personally dislike the bad things religion has done, at least it's usually been a means to control people and to some extent has kept a lot of them from going off the deep end. "But if you don't have some sort of reason to be moral - and it's pretty hard to argue for restraint when you've come to realize that no matter what you do, the end of your life results in annihilation, that is, nonexistence forever - then it stands to reason if you follow it forward, in such a case, the only true reason to live your life is to practice nihilism. "What you really should do in that case, is have all the fun you can have, be even worse than our good buddy and well respected member of Heaven, the man who raped Margaret to death, and be sure to kill anyone that gets in your way, plus don't forget to steal, plunder and pillage too, every crime you commit is free, no extra charge and don't forget to kill a few cops the next time you rob a donut shop by the way, we appreciate your business! "Now that I think about it, it would be pretty hard to distinguish between a religious zealot doing that because they were convinced it was approved by God as part of his plan and they're going to heaven for their good works, or some nihilist who did it because there wasn't any reason to be moral since they die dead and ain't never coming back. At least in the case of the religious guy, he's got some comfort in believing in his future life in heaven. The poor bastard who figures there's nothing to die for has simply reached the logical conclusion of having nothing to believe in. "So if there is nothing beyond life, it doesn't matter, whether you're good or bad, once you die you still die dead and you never get any extra punishment - in fact you get no punishment at all - for your crimes. Whether you're the holiest of holy people or the worst scumbag on the face of the earth, nothing happens to you after you die, you just cease to exist. "So the choice is up to you, either you have some form of Afterlife for those who meet the criteria, which probably ain't that hard to do, and if there is any punishment, really serious torture for eternity for those who don't, or nothing at all and no punishment for the wicked, and maybe no reward for the virtuous either. You pays your money and you takes your chances but you never know how the game will end until it does. And maybe you never find out after all." "Something about this - at least as far as the idea of torturing people forever - doesn't make any sense, or seem right." "None of it does. If there was a God and you had to do something about people who committed wrongdoing, it would make more sense to excise out the bad in someone who made a mistake, get rid of whatever was wrong in them, and then put the rest - who wasn't responsible for what the bad part made them do - back into productive society. Either that, or, if they are really double-plus ungood, like our child molester above and you can't fix them, find a use for them." "Find a use for child molesters?" "Yeah. I'm actually working on a use for child molesters and rapists, if it works I expect to have a whole lot of fun with a few of them. Maybe a lot of them if I'm right." "What, make them victims of what they did?" "No, worse." "I think maybe I don't want to know what's worse than being a victim of a child molester, just from the sickening examples you gave, or what kind of punishment you could do that's worse than what they did. And if you can, I'm kind of worried. Of you." "Oh it's not that bad. Just give them what they want. And lots of it." "Giving a child molester lots of victims is punishment to the molester?" "Yeah. If I'm right we're going to have unbelievable gratification at the expense of some of these scumbags. Let me say I'm going to really enjoy it when they get exactly what they want." "What, you plan to be the molester?" "No." "What then?" "I plan to be the victim, the one like our precious Maggie, who is being raped. I'm going to be the one who really gets to have fun. See, I told you: I think backwards." "And you think that is going to be a lot of fun?" He smiled "Yeah. Let's just say that those child raping bastards are really going to be taken for a ride." -- Pursuant to the Berne Convention, this work is copyright with all rights reserved by its author unless explicitly indicated. +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | alt.sex.stories.moderated ------ send stories to: <ckought69@hotmail.com>| | FAQ: <http://assm.asstr-mirror.org/faq.html> Moderators: <story-ckought69@hotmail.com> | +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ |ASSM Archive at <http://assm.asstr-mirror.org> Hosted by <http://www.asstr-mirror.org> | |Discuss this story and others in alt.sex.stories.d; look for subject {ASSD}| +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+