Message-ID: <51370asstr$1118333401@assm.asstr-mirror.org> Return-Path: <cobillard@hotmail.com> X-Original-To: ckought69@hotmail.com Delivered-To: ckought69@hotmail.com X-Original-Message-ID: <BAY103-F8011CB2269B5941C4E53BBFFD0@phx.gbl> X-Originating-Email: [cobillard@hotmail.com] From: "Carol C" <cobillard@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Jun 2005 19:23:04.0677 (UTC) FILETIME=[7E4FA950:01C56C5F] X-ASSTR-Original-Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2005 15:23:04 -0400 Subject: {ASSM} A reader asks: Why were there so few fathers at Mom's Friend's House? Lines: 739 Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 12:10:01 -0400 Path: assm.asstr-mirror.org!not-for-mail Approved: <assm@asstr-mirror.org> Newsgroups: alt.sex.stories.moderated,alt.sex.stories Followup-To: alt.sex.stories.d X-Archived-At: <URL:http://assm.asstr-mirror.org/Year2005/51370> X-Moderator-Contact: ASSTR ASSM moderation <story-ckought69@hotmail.com> X-Story-Submission: <ckought69@hotmail.com> X-Moderator-ID: dennyw, newsman While I have largely finished with this series of reminiscences about my growing up in a community of families whose lifestyle had been shaped by connections with a sexually-oriented sect, I continue to receive queries and comments. I can't reply directly, but from time to time I feel the need to write in a bit more detail about a particular aspect of our lives. This essay answers the question of why, if sex was so important to us, there were so few adult men in our lives. The short answer is that most of our mothers had, in one way or another, been -- or thought they had been -- abused or taken advantage of by men. And from the standpoint of introducing children to our holistic lifestyle, it is clear that men who did not grow up in our way, who did not have a Children of God past, would usually or often be troubled by seeing their daughters at sex. And more so, seeing their daughters enjoying sex and taking command. The regular presence of fathers and other men created a number of risks, in part related to potential accusations (probably unjustified, but there you are) of pedophilia and abuse, but more simply stated just the fact of their disquiet. A mother can sit, like Madame Pipi in the Paris toilet, doing her knitting while penises are exposed to her, innocently or not, all day long. A man may well be unable to sit still as girls or as girls and boys cavort. This is something that Mom's Friend found out early on, and I don't think a father was present on more than one or two occasions at a coming-out party. Fathers did, from time to time see their daughters come to terms with a penis, come to love and enjoy semen on a first or subsequent occasion, but if that was the case it was at the daughter's initiative. And in virtually every case it was a situation where nudity and sex were openly practiced in the family anyway and the daughter would have seen her dad's lovemaking, his penis erect and pulsating and sticky with semen and entering and leaving their partners' mouths and vaginas. It was, of course, Terrific Girl's good fortune to have grown up in such a context, so she just took it for granted that her father would be proud of her lovemaking. Having heard of my incident with the masturbating boy, and having been present when I did that experiment of bringing a boy to ejaculation with my mouth while he slept, she really wanted to touch and feel a penis even before she was ready to make love to it, and her dad, I know, encouraged her. Eventually we got a young, precociously developed, boy over for her to play with. In retrospect, she could have had sex right then, having started to grow breasts and all, but nobody had started to think of her that way, least of all Terrific Girl herself. So she played with the boy's penis, made it stiff, fondled his testicles and made him laugh uncontrollably with the tickling, and then went and got some KY lubricant. The boy didn't produce more than a trickle of semen, which was probably just as well. Soon after, she felt an urge to play with a penis again and it occurred to her that there was no reason she couldn't take it in her mouth, or her vagina. And she arranged her own little party. As I've said, Terrific Girl has the most sensuous technique with a penis, and she's lovely to watch when she makes love. She's always had a train of boys to choose from, every one eager for her approval, and every one anxious to please her. She has what can simply be labeled "confidence and presence" so that, clothed or not, but especially when she is nude, she has a commanding presence and she exudes sexuality of the nicest sort: you can look at her breasts, your eyes can wander to her pubis, and you know that she is born to share romance: some girls look coarse and hard with semen on their lips, Terrific Girl looks dainty and saintly. I think it's obvious when you see a girl's first contact with, first grasping of, a penis what her attitude is, what she wants out of the relationship with this penis and this boy. The most important thing is the girl's eye contact, and how she relates -- to the boy, and to the audience. Terrific Girl knew from her earliest consciousness of sex that one day, when she had breasts and pubic hair, she would kiss and love penises, and boys would kiss and love her vagina. This we all took for granted, which is how, when I was horsing around with a boy and we were both naked, his penis could find its way into my vagina, seemingly by accident and certainly on the spur of the moment, in the course of a simple tumble on the floor. I wondered afterwards how the boy managed to get his penis into me so swiftly, without lubrication. A girl later suggested to me that, from the boy's standpoint, the even may well have been planned, and he probably at least put some saliva on his penis first; anyway at his age the penis wouldn't have been too big to slide in quickly. Later I would wish my Mom could have been there, and indeed that I could have made a bit of a party over my defloration. But at age 11 it was one of those things that just happened: a life-altering experience that came about without a thought. But, indeed, many girls find themselves in an unexpected situation where, suddenly, an opportunity is there, and they need to decide. While I was alone with the boy at the moment (one of the other mothers passed by a minute or so afterwards, and so there was no secret, and why should there have been?), mostly for my friends first sex would be with others there. And this is true even if it was spontaneous. Indeed, it might be "spontaneous" for the girl in question, but "arranged" from the standpoint of her friends, who would have chosen the boy, fixed things just so, and contrived to bring his penis into her personal space, even up to her face, in a way that she couldn't do much else but welcome and love it. On one occasion, when I was 14 or 15, a man came by with his son and daughter. His partner had left him and he had custody; my recollection is that she was bipolar and unable to cope. His concern -- like that of so many uninformed fathers -- was that his son would or might grow up gay if he did not learn to enjoy heterosexual sex early on. One of his friends or partners had introduced him to Mom's Friend. She had told him that we were family-oriented and that he could not just bring his son, but even -- indeed especially -- if his daughter was, as he said, much too young for sex she would benefit from exposure to nudity and to our religious and cultural philosophies. The guy didn't come by when expected, but that was no surprise: many families opted out at the last minute, or came by to visit and never returned. But he did show up one day unexpectedly, and Mom's Friend was away, accompanying Terrific Girl's dad on one of his many business trips. Terrific Girl's dad was a particular exception to the above rules because he had, indeed, a Children of God background and he was totally committed to gender equality, to the absolute right of every girl to assert herself and to enjoy a climax, and to nudity and sexual expression with friends and family about. It was quite plain that Terrific Girl's dad took pride, and quite innocent vicarious, parental pleasure, in seeing his daughter choose a boy, arouse him, take his penis in her mouth, and receive and swallow Holy Communion in the form of his semen. It can be disturbing, in fact, to see a father aroused by the sight of his children having sex: I don't mean that he shouldn't be reminded that he would like sex, and inspired to find someone of his own generation, but rather that he ought not to find the fact of child sex the cause of an erection. In Mom's Friend's absence, and with my Mom at work, it was left to Older Girl to deal with the visit. She was used to introducing new kids, to being hostess at our nude dance parties, and in general to reassuring young people that sex was nothing to be apprehensive about and that inhibitions were a primitive holdover from a mainstream religious culture that sought to control women's sexuality and to blame and "guiltify" them for men's sexuality. Older Girl's strategy was to get visitors as soon as possible down to the basement or into the backyard, places where they could be comfortably naked. Now she also had to round up enough young people to make a "quorum"; I was one of those she called on. Part of the trick to getting a newcomer's mind off her or his past and to evade any lingering guilt or restraint was for Older Girl never to stop talking, never to give her target a chance to think. She made it seem quite natural and normal to undress, at least down to underwear, in the basement. Already there were several boys and girls there, some totally nude, chatting, playing a board game, watching TV, listening to music: their nudity was seemingly irrelevant to what they were doing, or playing at. The newcomers hesitated, but Older Girl had already undressed herself and now she was helping the New Arrivals' dad to unclothe. I asked The Boy if he wanted help, and, embarrassedly, he said no; and reluctantly and slowly he started taking his clothes off while looking around at the others seated about. And, especially, at me: and specifically at my vulva. Of course the fact of his staring gave me the opportunity to hurry him on. He was embarrassed, though, that his penis was sticking straight out: I had to explain to him that girls generally, and I in particular, thought it was gorgeous and I would love to inspect it closely just as soon as The Girl was taken care of. The 16-Year-Old Boy, who in those days was my regular partner for sex, tried to volunteer and he would, I thought, have been ideal for this girl. His penis was of a really grand sort -- not huge, mind you, but with a nice bulbous tip and a lovely slit that I loved to run my tongue over; and his scrotum was big, almost out of proportion to this penis, and his balls usually loose. Also, he had a fetching smile. He was the kind of man-child you want to walk down the nude beach with so that the other girls can admire his penis and envy you. (With a semi-transparent swim suit, I guess one can accomplish the same thing anywhere.) Although I was later to lose interest in him, that was not because he was unskilled sexually -- indeed his penis is one of the loveliest I've known -- but that as I got more education he seemed to lose ideas and we wound up with little to talk about. (Today you can talk to him about baseball, basketball or commercial refrigeration, and not much else.) The Girl, however, was small, only 11, and her dad kept saying she was only there to watch and to learn, as Mom's Friend had suggested. (And, I need hardly add, required if his boy was to be admitted.) Older Girl said that The Girl still ought to disrobe and, although it was clearly bothering her dad, she started getting undressed, taking off her bulky outerwear. Right away it became obvious that, 11 years old or not, she was not "little" except in terms of height. Like me, she was maturing early: her breasts were like those of a 13-year-old. A couple of boys immediately got interested and stopped what they were doing to come over and chat. When they caught sight of her hips and her pubic hair a minute later when her jeans and panties came off, the boys rudely came right out and asked her if she was a virgin. I thought she might cry, and I got between them and her and I hugged her. Her father stood back, hesitant to intervene. Now having seen his daughter undressed (for the first time since she'd matured?) he ought to have come to terms with her body and realized that she would have a penis inside her before the hour was out. But his protective demeanor was unchanged: she remained his little girl; her breasts and pubic hair were invisible to him. I wonder what he would have said and done if he had known what was about to happen. Older Girl pulled the Newly Arrived Dad away, then, and sat him down to try to distract him. I don't think it had occurred to any of these three New Arrivals that even The Boy was going to have sex. It seems that they were going to learn about our way of life and "perhaps" The Boy would seduce or be seduced, and "saved" from the "menace of homosexuality". That's how a number of fathers of boys brought to us thought. It is equally possible that the Newly Arrived Dad had plans to push his son into sex with one of us. My recollection is hazy and my diary just has the names, the date, and the fact of the seductions and penetrations. Older Girl had told The Girl to stay with me while she talked to her father. I drew The Boy over to the other side of the room, close to where there were other kids hanging about, and The Girl and her group followed, seemingly entranced. The Boy still had his half-erection, and still smiled sheepishly. I escorted him confidently. I smiled, nodding towards his penis, trying to give him confidence and specifically to signify that he should never be embarrassed by a fine erection. Or partial erection. I then gave a little sex education lecture. I said how a girl was empowered by being unafraid of a boy's penis, by knowing how to avoid or defuse aggressive impulses, by refusing to be coerced, by taking charge. I told how we, in our faith and our culture, knew that the penis and the breasts and the vagina were the most beautiful as well as the most expressive, parts of the body. And how the mystery of arousal and orgasm and ejaculation brought us to Holy Communion and to the literal Body and Blood. By now I had taken The Boy's penis in hand, and fondled it and his scrotum and I after a minute I took his penis into my mouth, stroked it with my tongue and made it quite stiff. I had long ago decided that oral sex was the best introductory sort, especially for kids under 13, and that penis in vagina could wait: a few hours, a few days, even weeks or months. And although it was normally our rule that a boy should not be allowed to have his orgasm before the girl had approached hers, I hadn't followed that rule in my year on the houseboat when I seduced all those boys, and I wouldn't on this occasion either. I wanted The Girl to see and to learn and to copy. When The Boy suddenly grunted and ejaculated a first stream of semen into my mouth I wanted everybody to see it. I wanted him to be proud of it, and to know how much I appreciated it. At the risk of making a mess and at the risk of reducing his pleasure, I opened my mouth a bit while still stimulating the underside and the end of his penis with my tongue so he wouldn't stop ejaculating. By the time the spurts of semen finished, my tongue and lips and cheek were covered with puddles and drips and drops of semen. I explained to The Girl that this was her DNA too, and that she might like to play with a penis and learn her own potential. I told The Girl that she should never let anybody tell her that there was anything less than holy about semen, and about a girl taking into her body: her mouth or her vagina. A penis was fun to play with, I said. Fun to kiss and fun to love. I assured her that she could stop anytime; I knew of course that this was something of an exaggeration: she wouldn't want to stop once she had experienced the onrush of orgasm, or even the promise of it happening. The Girl hesitated. There were two candidates for her vagina. If it bothered her that they were staring at her breasts and her crotch and giving less attention to her face than it deserved, she didn't say, and perhaps didn't notice. She was still becoming acclimatized to a room full of nude kids, some of whom were fondling each other's sex parts. Perhaps she hadn't seen an erection before. I called over one of the other girls and suggested that she and one of the boys might like to perform mutual oral sex to show the newcomers how much fun it was, how lovely a sight it made, how gorgeous penis and vagina were at work. That took one of our eager boys out of the competition for The Girl: he lay down and our regular girl visitor got on top. Now we could see her tickling his penis with her tongue, exciting him and stiffening it. She moved her head up and down at a steady cadence, and the boy moved his groin up to meet her and to signal what speed gave him the most pleasure. Meanwhile, we could see how he kissed and made love to her exposed vagina and clitoris. I moved a lamp around so everybody could see how her excitement was changing the appearance of her vagina, It was wide open now, and the boy's tongue stroked over it, up and down, and circled outside its opening, occasionally darting in and pressing against the vaginal wall. I knew how this felt, and my hips moved involuntarily in unison, and it attracted the attention of both The Boy and The Girl. From time to time the boy on the floor would take his partner's soft parts into his mouth and kiss and suck on them. His girl's appreciation showed in her eyes. Now we could anticipate her orgasm and of course we wanted them to come together, we really wanted to see her boy ejaculate. The Newly Arrived Girl was transfixed. The Boy was stroking his own stiff penis. I pushed his hand away and started fondling it myself, lightly caressing it up and down and rubbing my palm across its head. I moistened my hand and stroked it a bit more strongly. Then, without waiting for the couple on the floor to finish, I left The Boy and got The Newly Arrived Girl seated in a chair, while her suitor found some excuse to kneel in front of her. Somehow he hypnotized her to the extent that while he gently pulled her legs apart to admire her vaginal area she did not, or could not, resist. Then he began kissing her vagina: less thoroughly than the boy on the floor had kissed his partner's, because one doesn't have the same great access when a girl is seated and her vagina isn't high in the air. He would stop every few minutes, though, so her brother and I could see his progress. His saliva and her vaginal mucus had made the chair very wet. With his fingers he pulled her labia further apart and inspected her clitoris, which he repeatedly kissed. His tongue would go inside her vagina and then flick over and around her clitoris in a regular cycle, and she leaned back in the chair and moved her body about and her breasts bounced around. And she had a climax, perhaps her first. Nobody but Older Girl was paying attention to her dad; and Older Girl was caressing the man's penis and kissing him deeply. He was flattered by this young girl's attentions, and explored her breasts and her vagina each time her hand left his penis and scrotum. Although we hadn't intended for her boy to put his penis in her vagina and had expected him to ejaculate in her mouth, before long their lovemaking took an unexpected turn, as lovemaking often does. The Newly Arrived Girl was down on the floor and her partner was kissing her on the mouth and stroking her breasts, and, intermittently, caressing her clitoris and exploring her vagina with his hand. She may not have wanted him to kiss her with his mouth when it had so recently been at her vagina; or maybe, like us, she didn't care. Either way, that's what he was doing. And in another minute his penis was inside her. I realized there was a risk of his coming inside her and that she certainly hadn't thought about contraception; I rushed to get some contraceptive foam. By the time I had returned, though, it seemed that one of them at least had realized the risk. The Girl was still lying on the floor, and now he was hunched over her from another direction. His penis was in her mouth but it was no longer moving; her mouth was open a bit and there were traces of semen on her lips. He was smiling delightedly; she was smiling in a puzzled sort of way. As he moved his body away from her head we could see that she hadn't swallowed yet. Her mouth was still full of semen and she was perhaps trying to decide what she should do with it. I remember thinking how lovely it was that she hadn't been brought up to think that vaginal fluids were repellant, or semen repugnant, or that a penis was anything but lovely and kissable. I went over and told her that semen is God's gift and is meant to be loved and swallowed. The semen disappeared, swallowed. But she remained transfixed, unable to speak, amazed with herself and what she'd experienced. But so was her Dad transfixed: his penis was erect and Older Girl was keeping it that way, but he was agitated. Older Girl correctly supposed that whatever emotions he was feeling, good or bad, could most readily be dampened by orgasm. Yet, when she took his penis in her mouth he was made even more uncomfortable by the fact that his two kids were watching him. They, it seems, had already accommodated our way of thinking and a part at least of our sexuality, and it seems not to have bothered them as much as one might have expected that his big, hairy penis was erect and in the mouth of a young woman. Older Girl, of course, new how to maximize sensuality and to show off to best advantage the penis she was making love to. She also knew what to say, and while she couldn't very well carry on constant chatter with his penis in her mouth, she said enough so that he started paying attention to her and not to the presence of his children. Older Girl had her man seated now at the edge of the sofa, his balls overt the edge of the cushion. For a while she cupped his balls in one hand. She was kneeling slightly to the side of him and his penis was in plain sight, and she spent a some time just licking its tip taking just the tip into and out of her mouth, occasionally running her tongue all over. Then, when she sensed ejaculation coming, she licked the tip hard with her tongue so that the first spurt went directly up and onto her face and The Boy and The Girl could see their dad at joy. Then Older Girl pressed her lips tight against the penis and pushed her mouth down over it, trying to give him greatest pleasure and draw out of him as much semen as possible: to savor and to enjoy it and to receive its best blessing. One sensed that she was concentrating hard on the task, working hard at making her partner happy. Finished she let her partner toy with her breasts and she giggled as he fondled and caressed her. She asked if he would be kissing her vagina the way The Girl's had been kissed. There was a brief troubled expression, and then assent. And in due course his penis was hard again, and then it was inside Older Girl's vagina. But by that time I was back to entertaining The Girl and The Boy. (Whatever arrangements, financial or other, visitors and parents made with Mom's Friend I was not privy to. But I have always assumed that parents took care of the costs of accommodating their kids.) Those two kids spent the weekend with us. Older Girl thought it important, as Mom's Friend did, that young people not confuse sexual joy and romance with monogamous love and commitment and not let concern over the "rest of their lives" interfere with the here-and-now of sexual learning and fun and, above all, its spiritual value. Sex should be learned by young teens from peer guidance and from experimentation -- they should act out their impulses and fantasies and learn from that. Friends should be watching and, sometimes, helping -- as when a girl finds that holding her legs in a certain way is tiring, or can't tell whether her vagina is showing itself off to best advantage. (She may not have a full view of her boy's penis entering, but her friends will want to take time out from their own embrace to mark that ultimate of sexy moments.) Or when one partner engaged in mutual oral sex gets carried away and slows down. Or when a young, inexperienced boy needs reassurance, telling him how better to excite a girl and deal with her complex vaginal area, or when to present his penis to her face, or how to react when his penis is in her mouth. Or proving to him that his penis is lovely and that we all are happy for him and for his partner, and he should never thing that his semen is anything but a providential blessing and a lovely sharing. That's for the inexperience boy. For older or more experienced boys, having friends and family around keeps him on his best behavior, eager to please you, anxious over your climax. Girls, we think, have an equal right to enjoy sex for its own sake, and they need to learn what to demand and how to demand it. On the weekend there were other boys and girls around, and although we were supposed to restrict ourselves to a single partner for a single 24-hour day, there was no adult around to enforce the rule and every time I looked they were with a new partner. For an 11-year-old, it seemed to me that The Girl was quite ahead of my own capacity and skill at that age. Whereas in the beginning I was apprehensive that I was not doing the best jobs possible on boys' penises, The Girl had an innate confidence. She would start kissing a boy on the lips and embracing him, and no sooner were his hands on her breasts than her hand would be caressing his penis. And she would want to have soixante-neuf-style, mutual oral sex so, as she said, others could admire her vagina. She asked how she looked, and someone took an instant picture and showed it to her, and she approved. When somebody mentioned Mom's recommended position for defloration parties, she wanted to try that, lying at the end of a bed, with a couple of girls helping her hold her legs in the air because she couldn't get them to stay back otherwise. The boy she chose for the event kissed and sucked on her vagina while we all watched and then, when she reached the cusp of orgasm, he stood up and propelled his big penis forward in a way that allowed us to see it penetrating and then moving back and forth, up and down, and finally coming inside her, her boy falling on top of her to embrace and kiss her again, then, perhaps, playing with her breasts and having her play with his penis, toying with its stickiness, squeezing out a few drops of semen to lick. It really was lovely. But perhaps it was just as well that her father had left. Afterwards The Girl said that if she'd seen that penis erect, big and fat, beforehand she would never have imagined it would fit so easily inside her. We reminded her that it's because we insist that boys lubricate us and excite us orally first that we don't have much of a "fitness" problem, even when it's our first time. It even hurts much less then, if at all. I always though how marvelous and natural it was that kids who come to sex during puberty can, overnight, lose their discomfort and self-consciousness over nudity. Once they see how normal and natural orgasm is, how philosophically and physically urgent sex is, regardless of their stage of development beyond the start of puberty, they benefit from the experience. Many of those who come to sex later do so with guilt and other complexes and never achieve the same sexual liberty and the same degree of constant pleasure. The boys who had to leave us for misconduct never were boys who'd first come as toddlers and spent holidays throughout their youth. Such boys would be spotted by Mom's Friend or by my Mom just as soon as they sprouted a first pubic hair, and they'd be groomed, indeed, to acknowledge their own puberty. I don't think any boy I ever knew at Mom's Friend's House ever had an actual "wet dream". Not even a first one. I suspect that a lot of boys did masturbate because there was no chance they were ever going to have sex as often as they might want or need it. But any boy who was living or staying with us would have sex, oral or vaginal, a couple of time in any week he was there. And of course there were the nude dance parties: there was at least one a month in Our Town, at Mom's Friend's House or at the homes of our likeminded friends. To my mind, the romance and lovemaking at those parties was deeply satisfying; anybody with the capacity -- and that was everybody, I think, could count on at least two orgasms. Even girls who thought it wildly improbable. The atmosphere was that sexy, with kids dancing nude, dancing with erections, taking time out for sex, showing off vaginas and erections and semen. I have repeatedly said that sex by a couple alone is only half as much fun as sex with family and friends about. Like justice, orgasm and ejaculation "must be done and seen to be done"; and, like the mail, they should be done "early and often". From what I understand, early learning and early experience lead to a need and a want and a capacity that carry on to the end of life. Who can deny that prolonged sexuality and sexual joy make life itself more fulfilling? The early experience certainly gives kids the knowledge they need to make critical decisions with respect to marriage (choice of a partner) and child raising (carrying on the tradition). One universal result is that no girl who lived or visited with us would ever be discomfited or discomforted or intimidated by being in the presence of boys and men with erections, or couples having sex, whether or not she herself was interested in sex at that particular moment. Sex took a proper place in life, an important place certainly, based on our early exposure to it. Mom said that she saw this with the kids born years before me to her friends in the CoG. There is a transformation of boys also due to early, family-oriented sex, but it is something of the opposite: rather than being aggressive and arrogant, any boy allowed to stay or continue visiting in our community would have to be or become tolerant of our ways, eager to please, and indeed skilled at cunnilingus. A boy should demonstrate an element of shyness over his penis, awaiting the first move, the first flirt, from the girl. Over-eagerness can be counterproductive. And if he is good the word will get around: girls do compare notes, and we were above all happy to show off while making love to a penis have while having a penis make love to us. The things that would get a boy deleted from our address book included boisterousness, lack of gallantry and tact. I think it was clear to every boy who crossed our threshold that for him to give his semen to a girl must never be by way of trying to humiliate her, but rather to share a blessing as part of a divine command and a divine message: as Holy Communion, as I have constantly written. An erect penis can be aggressive or it can be romantic: I think the difference is less in the penis itself than in the face, especially the eyes and the speech, of the boy. A boy who is excited by me, perhaps to the extent of having seminal fluid leak from the tip of his penis, needs to do more than just flaunt that penis if he wants me to take it in my mouth: I need to be romanced, amused, cuddled. You can tell, just by looking, if a boy is that sort. A boy of interest to us was a boy who could not enjoy sex if his girl partner did not equally enjoy it. She had to love playing with his penis, she had to want and love his penis inside her. And he would love making love to her clitoris, her vagina, her breasts, her personality. And the two of them would love playing languidly with traces of his semen after their passion was otherwise spent. We didn't, in fact, have much of a problem with boys if only because they were eager to be with us and eager to be invited back. Furthermore, as I've written, most boys came to use by way of their mothers being involved in Mom's Friend's Children of God alumnae meetings, or staying with us by way of refuge after leaving the Church or leaving a relationship. (Such boys might come without girls, which is why it was all the more important that if there was any scope for insisting on it, we would require a boy to be accompanied by his sister, cousin, older girl neighbor, etc.) And boys who grow up and see their mothers naked and at sex, and whose mothers have the pleasure of seeing their son's penis grow and develop, sometimes seeing them asleep, naked with an erection, have a special, mystical relationship with penis as with boy. It's important, I think, for such a mother to see her son's first ejaculation into a girl, and for the son to show off the event to his mom. To have seen her young boy's penis disappear into a girl's vagina for the first time, and to see the expression on his face as, minutes later he ejaculates, must be a mother's most treasured experience and lifelong recollection. That, again, is the beauty of Mom's position: the penis is constantly in sight, and the balls too. The movement of the penis and the receptivity of the vagina -- and then the wetness of the semen -- are vicariously enjoyed by everyone. The young people there, of course, will be excited and will be anticipating their own orgasms afterwards. Boys always had erections; their girl partners traditionally would tease them over it. That adds to the excitement of the celebrating couple. As for the mothers of the boy and the girl, they can celebrate their successful childraising: this is the first step to adulthood, a stepping stone indeed to choosing a life partner. A celebration of fecundity and ecstasy. How the occasion of a defloration proceeds for the boy will depend, as I've written, on his age. An 11, 12 or 13-year old boy will be happy for his mom to take down his briefs after she escorts him to the girl's bedroom. This gives him reassurance that he is doing what is expected of him, and doing it right. If he's never had a real orgasm, as may sometimes be the case, he will be reminded of the wondrous joy he's going to have. A 14- or 15-year-old boy won't need any of that. He almost certainly won't be a virgin and he'll probably have showered with the girl beforehand and then accompanied her into the room and then wait for her mother to position her on the bed. In that case, of course, both of them will already be nude and his penis probably already at least half-erect. (Much to the chagrin of mothers of the virgin girls, popular attention seems to shift from the girl to the penis as soon as it is erect. That, I'm afraid, is a fact of life and love.) Being shy must never be confused with being embarrassed. Embarrassment is unknown to us: nobody Chez Nous is embarrassed by an erection, or the lack thereof. Shyness, by the way, seems to increase with age and a 12-year-old, even if his penis is only halfway grown, never hesitates and seems to know, without prompting, how to approach his girl's vagina with his tongue, although he may need advice about her clitoris. In part, I think such a boy is making up for his insecurity over his penis by assurance and certainty over his tongue and over the vagina; but in the end the boys' erections don't fail them because that's not what they are thinking about: by then it's the vagina that has captivated them. Older boys seem to worry more, perhaps fearing failure or inadequacy, and so, ironically, it's even better to have his mother there by way of reassurance. I've heard people suppose that a boy might have difficulty getting an erection with his mom present, but I've never seen that to be a problem. A girl knows, because she will have seen older kids doing it and anyway her mom will have told her, how to excite the boy's penis with her mouth as much as she needs to for it to get and stay erect. But it probably won't be obvious to a young girl that she should look for pre-cum and show excitement over it, and lick it off or at least put it on her finger and bring it to her lips. This is another strategy that tends to reassure a boy and keep his penis hard. Most of the things that go with sex a girl (or a boy) will know from observation if s/he has spent a lot of time in a sexually-liberal place, or if her/his mom has been uninhibited and unabashed. My Mom never shut her bedroom door and always encouraged me to watch her from a distance and was happy for me to see her ministering to her partner's penis and seeing her enjoy his semen. I always knew how a penis worked and that semen came out of it and made both partners happy. Mom told me what it tasted like, and it for a long time it was a "forbidden fruit". A girl, with us anyway, never has any doubt over what she is supposed to do when the boy's penis is presented to her mouth. I think once the concept, the normality, of penis in mouth is accepted, the rest is obvious. It never occurred to me that there was anything odd about seeing a man offer his penis to Mom, and for her to show delight and put it in her mouth; and then to want him to kiss her vagina. I don't think most people are aware how common "sex education by showing" really is, especially among intellectual families. I recall being very small and having my Mom show me her partner's erect penis, and trying to explain what it was for. Not every partner of hers was eager to have a little girl examine his erection, even from a distance, but most didn't mind. Those who'd had a Children of God background knew that it was normal curiosity and a learning occasion. I was 10 or so before I actually touched a penis, and that was when I saw a boy not much older masturbating and I offered to help him, and I remember that I got a bit of semen in my eye as a result. I thought it was funny. Everybody else knew what was coming for me. At Mom's Friend's House I would certainly have been looked after, even coddled, invited to have a formal defloration. This was, however, at our First House, and there wasn't that child-focused theology of sex, and the protectiveness that Mom's Friend imposed. I was more or less left to my own devices. To return to the main point under discussion, there was another reason too, why boys were well behaved. Boys could not come alone, at least not the first times. They had to bring a girl, who would usually be family, a sister or cousin, sexually experience or not, but certainly sexually open. At our nude dances there was no way a brother and sister could put off the undressing, since clothes had to be left in the anteroom and couples were expected to disrobe, or perhaps undress each other, right away. It was sort of a custom that a boy and girl would admire each other's sex parts and perhaps fondle each other at that point, whether or not they knew each other. Girls always wanted to tease their dates by trying to get their penis erect as soon as possible. And with every other girl enjoying the sport. As for siblings, I've already written a lot about this, usually describing how the boy would have to try hard not to stare, and not to resent it, when a strange boy's penis penetrated his sister's vagina or when his sister made it obvious that she was delighted to have the penis in her mouth and happy to swallow the semen. Still, any boy who had more than a moment of that disquiet to see his sister, vagina in the air, her boy's tongue deep inside it; or penetrated in Mom's favorite position, obviously would have lost the plot. Boys, anyway, quickly got used to the fact of their sisters making love; indeed, the boy's own partner would often enough accelerate the pace of her, and their, lovemaking. I don't quite know the logic or reason, but if a girl saw her partner watching his sister at sex, this might stimulate a jealousy or a competitive urge of some sort in her. And of course the best way for her to show off her vagina and her enjoyment was for them to engage in mutual oral sex, girl on top. Showing off that way paid dividends: I found that I attracted the attention of lots of boys, and that I would have my choice of dates and sex partners for weeks afterwards. All for the reason that they had seen my vagina, seen me make love, seen me pleasuring and being pleased by the penis of the boy underneath me. (Mutual oral sex with the boy on top has a lot of advantages, especially for the younger boy with a big-small penis because he can easily position it in his girl's mouth, and move it about for best pleasure. He can also stimulate the girl's vagina quite as well as, or better than, when she's on top. But the whole process is far less impressive to onlookers, in my experience and in my opinion.) "Mom's favorite position" is the one Mom encouraged girls to adopt for their defloration, lying back against a stack of pillows, her vagina right at the end of the bed, her legs either high in the air and pulled back (perhaps with the aid of friends) or, if she can manage it, flat back on the bed. You can see a small picture of it at http://www.angelfire.com/co4/cobil/topl.htm Although the girl would be slightly contorted, everybody would have a really clear view of her lovely exposed, pink and moistened vagina. This is true even while her boy kisses it, since he'll be kneeling below. Friends can see her progressing excitement, both on her face and at her vagina, and also in terms of her stiffening nipples. It's just so nice to see the look of anticipation on a girl's face; and nicer still when you can see that dilated vagina. You see the boy arise, take hold of his penis and approach her. Depending how she is configured, she may grasp and guide his penis. More often he would just look to her face for approval and consent and instruction. He might rub his penis up and down her vagina, or he might moisten its tip with his saliva. Or, sometimes, the girl would ask to see and play with the penis for a couple of minutes, and she would kiss and suck on it and run her tongue over its slit to look for seminal fluid, if her mom had suggested that. Then the penis is at her vagina, beginning its trajectory. You see it slide inside, first the head disappearing and then the shaft. Inevitably everybody is moved. Girls would relive their own deflorations. For me, more's the pity that I didn't have a party like that, with everybody celebrating my entry into sexual maturity and fun. The whole image is so lovely. The whole sex act, in that position, can be enjoyed by all. The only drawback is that the two bodies aren't intertwined, that the boy can't feel the girl's breasts. That, I think, is a minor point. Few men feel and play with their partner's breasts during missionary-position sex anyway. Brothers never, as far as I know, attended a defloration unless they came as the sex partner of one of the girl's friends. I heard of that once, and the girl kept her hand on the brother's penis the whole time, keeping him excited and eager for her. Brothers often saw a sister having sex at a nude dance party, and sometimes that would be the girl's first time. Seeing that a boy should be reminded by seeing his of his own potential, and he should want to acknowledge, by showing off his penis and his sex in front of his own sister or cousin, that sex is the most primordial and holy and joyous-delightful act that boys and girls do. Mostly the girl would take charge here and say something confidence-building to her brother, complimenting him on whatever occurred to her: his erection, his gallantry, his technique, his semen. Girls are protective of their brothers, but never in a way that could be an obstacle to their lovemaking. Sisters, at least girls who are sexually active, love to see a brother's penis erect. A lot of times it was the brother of a friend of the girl being deflowered who would be chosen. That she would be having sex afterwards never seemed an issue. I guess it comes down to the double standard, and the fact that even though we say that virginity is a nuisance and that we are divinely commanded to have sex often and as soon as we are capable of it, society's nonsense "rules: and prejudices interfere with our liberties and our duties unless we're careful. The real problem is not false modesty or family protectiveness, but irrational jealousy. Even the 60s communes built on the basis of free sex and rejection of commitment, could not entirely escape this. The Children of God didn't really try: they enshrined temporary marriage as one option, and tolerated formal marriage. We follow that route, more or less, encouraging free sex until kids reach 18, at which time they leave the protected "safe circle" and need to worry about STDs, and the usual social and medical risks. Inevitably some of us were more popular than others, even when it came to one-day liaisons. Jealousies would have made our life intolerable. (It's true I did stay with the 16-Year-Old Boy for about a year. But that did not stop either of us from having sex with others if we felt like it.) A boy so inept that he can't find a partner even when there are available girls all around didn't belong with us. There were one or two boys who were too shy to approach a girl uninvited, but none who did not respond to flirting and invitation. Even a shy boy can be a great sex partner, and even a shy boy -- especially a shy boy -- will show off his penis, in a shy, self-effacing sort of way. I love that. Many, perhaps most, sisters did like to fix dates for their brothers and since they took delight in their brother having an erection, would make sure the girl was sexy and cute and eager. Well, we all were that, anyway, all of us girls. And all of us, or most of us, had mothers who were not hypocrites: they loved sex and loved men and loved penises, and wanted us to be ourselves, to enjoy ourselves, to live and love safely and well. A penis was, we knew, to have and to hold just as soon as it grew a bit and had nectar to offer; and a girl, from her first sign of breastlets and her first menses, has had a divine signal of her potential and her availability for romance. I know some outsiders are horrified to learn of the defloration parties a few of our girls had -- I've had a couple of messages to that effect -- but in fact they were lovely. There is nothing unnatural about a girl cradling a penis and taking it in her mouth or it entering her vagina while her mom and her closest friends share the awe and the delight. Or as they marvel at the sight of her first semen and wonder if she will take a bit on her finger and taste it, or perhaps kiss and suck on the boy's penis and then kiss the boy so that together they can savor and be blessed by those sacred fluids. It was a tradition that the girl and the boy would not shower and dress until after the party, until after those of their friends who, excited, had sex too, had finished and had a chance to embrace and the cuddle the couple who had "come out". (Well, sometimes the boy was experienced, and sometimes not; that depended upon the girl's mother, really; either way he would be congratulated, and his penis admired. The shyer he would be, the more delight we would take in him: boys knew better than to strut about in front of us girls. (No matter how smart, or how skilled, or how good looking one is, there is always someone else smarter, more skilled, more good looking. And of course that goes for penises too; but we weren't in competition; the one time I had a competition of that sort ("The Second Annual Best Penis Contest") it was all a joke, as readers of my past essays will know. Indeed, we always wanted to see it erect again, to see the couple want to have more sex, perhaps mutual oral sex where we and they could appreciate their sex parts at greatest beauty. I don't know if many mainstream kids engage so often and so publicly in soixante-neuf as we did, but I have to say it's one of the great tragedies that kids less blessed than we don't have the chance to grow up seeing parents and siblings and friends so engrossed and so delighted with their mouths at a partner's sex parts, enjoying the closeness to beauty and to joy and to Holy Communion. I would hope that any children of mine would go through childhood seeing and taking for granted that oral sex is normal and nice, and by the age of, say, 12 would be as clever and skilled at oral sex as those two young kids who were at Mom's Friend's House for so many years and who showed themselves off to Mom and me when they were 11. As I've said, that kids can have such a relationship with their parents, their mom especially, that they rush over to seek approval after sex, penis sticky and vagina drippy, testifies to the wholesomeness of our culture and our ethic. The point is, basically, that we should celebrate precociousness in sex just as we do in every other human endeavor. And we should admit that even though monogamy is a worthy aim, it is unlikely if couples marry without having developed the proper skills and the right criteria to make a proper choice. (Another argument for having friends around when you are having sex at age 11, or 12 or 13 is that it protects you against collecting emotional baggage. I haven't discussed this much, but the justification for allowing, and indeed encouraging, kids to have sex as soon as they are physically capable is that it is made safe by the presence of friends and the guidance, from not too far away, of adults or older kids.) I can say that while it is generally true that sex-based cults and sexually-liberal communes are (for reasons of heightened political hypocrisy and "child-abuse" concerns and prosecution) less common than they were, a number of the girls I grew up around have done what they could to raise their own children -- whether as single mothers or with partners -- in a sexually liberal environment. I wrote about the couple who take a nude family snapshot every year to record their kids development, including their sexual development, and I think that's a great idea too. Rev. Mary's practice of delegating sex education and defloration to the kids' peers is one way, perhaps, of avoiding intrusive meddling. I've done a little research into this, and I hope to write in a more scientific fashion and in a more authoritative venue, the arguments in favor of allowing children to see others at sex from an early age, and to experiment with sex just as soon as their sex parts are ready to give and receive semen. To whoever it was who asked the question that got me started: I hope I answered you adequately. 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