Message-ID: <29134asstr$983221804@assm.asstr-mirror.org> Return-Path: <news@lsnewsr3.we.mediaone.net> X-Original-Path: not-for-mail X-Original-Message-ID: <3A99FD9A.7CBF9078@mediaone.net> From: "A. P. Damien" <APDamien@mediaone.net> X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 22:55:11 PST Subject: {ASSM} {FAQ} Ol' Sarge's Breath Control (aka gasping) FAQ (REPOST) Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 16:10:04 -0500 Path: assm.asstr-mirror.org!not-for-mail X-Is-FAQ: yes Approved: <assm@asstr-mirror.org> Newsgroups: alt.sex.stories.moderated,alt.sex.stories,alt.sex.stories.d Followup-To: alt.sex.stories.d X-Archived-At: <URL:http://assm.asstr-mirror.org/Year2001/29134> X-Moderator-Contact: ASSTR ASSM moderation <story-ckought69@hotmail.com> X-Story-Submission: <ckought69@hotmail.com> X-Moderator-ID: dennyw, newsman, Vulpine Posted by permission. I didn't write this, Sarge did. Comments to anon5ab7@nyx.net. Ol' Sarge's Breath Control FAQ Article <2ei67j$81g@mercury.king.ac.uk> asked: >Has anybody reading this had much experience of restrictive breathing? >I've never seen a single post about it on any newsgroups... >And yet it is supposedly _fairly_ common - though there seems to be >a huge stigma attached to it, more so than other 'kinks'. > >Any thoughts, experiences, discussion on the subject? Strictly speaking it's called asphyxiophilia, and seems to be a semi-common kink. There are 2 different operations here, (1) is cutting off the flow of air, (2) is interfering with the supply of blood to the head and brain. If you are going to play this way, play with someone that you *CAN and WILL* trust your life to. RULES: DON'T PLAY ALONE! DON'T PLAY WITH SOMEONE YOU DON'T COMPLETELY TRUST. Breath control Games It is easy to cut off the flow of air, crook your index finger (make a fist, then keeping the index finger folded straighten the knuckle joint), now hold the middle joint of your index finger against the bottom of your chin (where it joins your throat). Press, gently , up and back. Now try to breath, you may have to increase the pressure slightly, but it doesn't take much, does it?. Interesting wasn't it? You may wish to try this on your subject. Please note that unless they are securely bound, they will attempt to escape from the pressure (no matter how much sie wants you to do this) our reptilian brain's microcode is quiet emphatic about getting O2 into the lungs and hence to the brain (this is know in the computer biz as a Non Maskable Interrupt). This is why it takes either a person of improbably great will power, or fooling the bodies autonomic life support systems (not all that hard to do), to hold ones breath until loss of consciousness. It takes a fair amount of time to lower the p02 to levels that no longer support consciousness, by that time the pC02 will be so high that the subject will be panting (even if there is no air-path). DON'T PLAY ALONE! Other methods of interfering with airflow are, a plastic laundry (dry cleaning) bag, with the hanger hole tied off, tied around the subjects neck, you can leave a largish volume of air in the bag to experiment with C02 suffocation, or pull the bag tightly around your subjects face to produce a very quick reaction. In the latter case the bag allows exhaled air to leave, but doesn't allow any new air in. Gas masks can have their breathing openings closed and opened. Mouths very carefully taped can have nostrils pinched closed. Heads encased in tight discipline helmets that have sealed mouth openings can have air holes blocked (but since you cannot see the subjects face, take great care, as you might not notice loss of consciousness). Under conditions like this I might be best to use a reassurance protocol here. e.g. have the bottom holding your hand and squeezing it on and off regularly. If that stops, or gets dangerously irregular, or it is squeezed very very fast in succession (i.e. a gagged safeword call), then stop the scene. DON'T PLAY ALONE! Strangulation Games It is also easy, and more dangerous, to interfere with the blood supply to the brain, just under the point of the jaw (on each side) is the major artery (cartoid) that supplies blood to the brain. Pressure applied to both of the cartoid arteries will produce loss of consciousness in ~ 15 seconds. (This is what police choke holds are all about). This is rather boring to the victim (pop and you're out). DON'T PLAY ALONE! A different way, that is usually more interesting, is to apply moderate presure to the entire neck, near the torso, with a soft scarf, a wide belt or a collar. Watch the face, as you apply pressure it will begin to turn a dark red (this is backed up venious blood, which is easier to block off). Your partner will probably have no trouble breathing (that portion of the trachia is quite strong) and will even be able to describe the sensations to you, if you *slowly* increase the pressure your partner will experience loss of consciousness. Note that this method of inducing loss of consciousness is likely to produce small hemotomas in your partners eyes (little red spots where capillaries leaked under the increased pressure). The body senses a drop in pO2 in the brain and will attempt to raise the blood pressure in order to compensate. DON'T PLAY ALONE! Hanging games. (Be VERY careful here). Rule 0. DON'T PLAY ALONE! Rule 1. NO DROPS, not even an inch. Although the human neck is reasonably tough it can be severely damaged by the wrong types of pressures and strains. Rule 2. PAY ATTENTION to your subjects state, a willing partner is difficult enough to find that you don't wish to lose one. If your subject looses consciousness get them down NOW, and make sure you loosen the noose (a proper hangmans noose is a locking knot, that means that you have to loosen it manually). Rule 3. DON'T repeat DON'T PLAY ALONE! Non noose suspensions. Be careful when using a collar or other stiff neck item as a suspender, they can dig in where least expected. There are suspension collars designed specifically for lifting the body by the head, they are used in physical therapy. Knot placement. Initially the noose should be snug, if not already a bit tight. If the knot is at the back of the subjects neck, there will be pressure on both of the cartoid arteries, this will probably lead to rapid loss of consciousness, also there will be enough pressure on the front of the neck to totally block off all air. If the knot is placed at the side of the subjects head (over the ear) and arranged so the the running end goes behind the neck and then around to the front, there will be some flow through the cartoid artery under the knot (the pressure will be on the other side from the knot), and there will be less pressure on the air- path, so that with some effort the subject will be able to open (at least partily) an air-path -this leads to some interesting gurgling and choking noises, and also to a much longer dance. You don't have to actually suspend your subject to play these games, in fact these games work just as well, and last longer, if the subject actually has his/her toes on the ground (to take pressure off the neck). Non Suspended Hangings One particularly rewarding method of play is to tightly bind the subject and arrange the noose (as above). Carefully pull the rope until your subject is up on his/her tiptoes, feel how much pressure is on the rope. Then if the subject works some slack into the rope (by tightening the noose via a momentary loss of balance or knee buckling) pull out just that much (in other words keep your subjects on their toes). Of course while one hand is busy with the rope, the other should be busy with your subjects Wabbily Bits (tm). Remember when subjects orgasm they usually lose control of their legs and foot pushing up muscles, now is NOT the time to let go of the rope, after all this is what they've been working towards all along :-). Actual suspended by the neck hangings If you are going to suspend your subject do it by hoisting them SLOWLY, or by slowly lowering what they are standing on. Ensure that the system can hold the subjects weight, if you weigh as much or more than your subject, grab the rope and dangle from it your self, if not have your subject do it, kick your feet, HARD, a lot. You don't want this to slip and then suddenly stop (see RULE 1). MAKE SURE that there is a cutable segment of the suspension line in reach, and that you have a SHARP knife on your person. In addition a quick release arrangement (pull to release toggles or such like) is desirable. Any quick release device should be tested under load, several times, before you hang anyone from it. But ALWAYS have a cutable segment of the rope within your reach, and a sharp knife on your person. Your subjects life, (and subsequently your continued freedom) depend on this. Make sure that there are no knots that will have to pass through pulleys or Eye bolts when the line is released, they can and probably will jam at just the wrong time. Suspended subjects should probably have had their Wabbily bits thoroughly worked over BEFORE suspension is started, and a major manipulation should occur as they are being suspended. As in the paragraph on non suspended hangings the subject could be brought to their tip-toes with a tight rope, and then at the appropriate time the box or stool that they are standing on could be removed. A movable (on wheels) stairs is good for this, but it's relatively simple to put some wheels on a small, strong box and to have the subject stand on this (or these if the subject is to have their ankles spread by a spreader bar. Note that unless the spread legs are kept from swinging from side to side, it is likely that one foot may be placed on the floor. Swinging may be stopped by attaching a line between the center of the bar, and the floor directly below it, or by tying a line to each ankle and having it go outwards to the floor or wall. One should probably bind the subjects feet together, or spread them with a spreader bar or secure them in some manner, as approaching a hanging person close enough to manipulate the Wabbily bits is liable to find you with some legs wrapped around your body, as the hanged one tries to climb up for some air. Additionally, tied feet cannot kick too hard and endanger the neck. I would strongly recommend against actual physical sex with a person being hung, you will probably become very involved with your own passions and may just miss a important clue as to the well being of your victim. WARNINGS!! DON'T PLAY ALONE, I say again, DON'T PLAY ALONE! Brain damage begins to occur around 4 minutes after the brain is deprived of O2, brain death occurs around 10-15 minutes later. Please note that heart stoppage will probably occur before this. The largest number of fatal cases (conceivably all but a few <that really were> murders) of autoerotic asphyxia *seem* to be caused by people playing at this alone. The physiological warnings that 'time is short' (tunnel vision, ringing in the ears) can be followed in only seconds by loss of consciousness. If the warnings come at a time when your 'aware' self is busy with other, uhm... more urgent matters (orgasming for example) you can slip away and then, if things are NOT arranged in a FAILSAFE manner, you will DIE!. Best bet: If you are going to play this way, play with someone that you *CAN and WILL* trust your life to. DON'T PLAY ALONE! As the Sainted Lt. Murphy said, 'Failsafes don't always'. Constants aren't, variables won't, and I only changed one line. ADDENDUM BY DAMIEN In the period since Ol' Sarge wrote the above, Jay Wiseman has uncovered two additional hazards: 1. Brain damage If the bottom is choked into unconsciousness (or even very near it), a small amount of brain damage is likely. Do it once, and the damage won't be noticeable, even with the most sensitive neurological tests now available (mid-1996). Do it several times a months over a period of years and (acto Jay's research) the effects add up -- you can expect some loss of memory and/or cognitive facilities. This is based on research done on people who had repeatedly practiced Judo choke holds (usually cutting off the flow of blood to the brain via pressure on the carotid artery). 2. Sudden heart stoppage (fibrillation) When breath is completely cut off, it doesn't take long before the changes in blood chemistry (lower pO2, higher pCO2) affect the brain. The result is abnormal signals ("outflow") on the vagal nerve that can trigger irregular heartbeats (Premature Ventricular Contractions, or PVCs). If a PVC occurs during a particular phase of the beat cycle (lasting about 1/8 of the total cycle), the heart will go into fibrillation -- the chambers contract rapidly and irregularly, resulting in no useful flow of blood to the body. Countervailing the above, I should mention that I had a massive heart attack some years ago. Luckily I was in hospital at the time. Afterward I went through a program of gradually increasing exercise ("Cardiac Rehab"). Four or five patients gathered in a room with stationary bikes, treadmills, etc. and worked out with ekgs attached (via portable transmitters). During the course of the hour, the supervising nurse would usually say, "XXX, you just had a PVC" at least once, sometimes 2-3 times. I even had a couple. But during 4 months of 3 sessions per week, nobody went into fibrillation. So my assumption is that while the critical period may be 1/8 of the cycle, the point in the cycle where PVCs occur is not evenly distributed. I suspect it's strongly biased against that critical part of the cycle, as I must have been witness to over 50 PVC instances. (I did go into fibrillation during the heart attack, but that was when I was already in severe tachycardia -- a heart rate of over 180/minute). 3) Vomiting If the bottom loses consciousness -- especially if due to not breathing -- there is a good chance that they will vomit when they regain consciousness. Also, the stress of any scene can induce vomiting. Depending on the position, the bottom may then choke on (aspirate) hir own vomit. The best defenses I can think of against these hazards: a) Don't do breath control (Obviously not acceptable if breath control is an important part of your sexuality) b) Only partial breath control. Induce a feeling of constriction and/or force the bottom to pant for air, then let them come back to normal before repeating (if needed). c) Brief periods of breath control. In one post on the subject, Lady Tanith said she would sometimes cover the nose and mouth of her (bound) bottom for 10-20 seconds. Well, I can hold my breath at any point in my normal breathing cycle for 10 seconds without significant discomfort; it takes about 20 seconds before I reach the stage of _really_ wanting to breathe. If I'm doing heavy (aerobic) exercise (heart rate around 130), those times are halved. But if the bottom is all tied up and at the top's mercy, and doesn't know when -- or if -- the top will let hir breathe again, the effect may be dramatic. d) Either avoid choking the bottom into unconsciousness (or near it, e.g. lightheaded), or accept the risk of brain damage and/or possible sudden death. e) Some people can detect PVCs (I never noticed them). If the bottom notices a missed heartbeat, I would suggest immediate invocation of the "gagged safesignal". Coughing a few times might help, too. f) The top (or a safety monitor, or both) should have _current_ CPR training and a sharp knife on hir person. Sie should know how get the bottom into a position that avoids aspirating vomitus, and how to clear the throat of any vomitus. I now return control of this FAQ to Ol' Sarge for his bibliography: Bibliography (for those perverts with a researcherial bent <now that's what I call a bent pervert>) follows, courtesy of MELVYL. DON'T repeat DON'T PLAY ALONE! The Old sarge, hang in there. ===== bibliography ==== 1. Author: Hazelwood, Robert R. Title: Autoerotic fatalities / Robert R. Hazelwood, Park Elliott Dietz, Ann Wolbert Burgess. Lexington, Mass. : LexingtonBooks, c1983. Description: xiv, 208 p. : ill. ; 24 cm. Notes: Includes index. Bibliography: p. 189-200. Subjects: Autoerotic asphyxia. Autoerotic death. Asphyxia -- Complications. Erotica. Death, Sudden -- etiology. Paraphilias. Other entries: Dietz, Park Elliott. Burgess, Ann Wolbert. 2. Author: Money, John, 1921- Title: The breathless orgasm : a lovemap biography of asphyxiophilia / John Money, Gordon Wainwright, David Hingsburger. Buffalo, N.Y. : Prometheus Books, c1991. Description: 178 p. ; 24 cm. Subjects: Cooper, Nelson -- Mental health. Autoerotic asphyxia -- Patients -- United States -- Biography. Autoerotic asphyxia -- Patients -- Rehabilitation. Psychotherapy. Other entries: Wainwright, Gordon. 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